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In high school, Kathryn Reynolds made the game-winning layup in the basketball state championship game as a freshman. Yet, she didn’t peak there.
This week I interviewed Kathryn, who went on to get a basketball scholarship to the University of Iowa, overcome an injury her sophomore season, and then be named team captain as a senior and make it to the NCAA Sweet 16.
Kathryn is also just as impressive in the classroom, where she graduated in three years with a bachelor’s degree in business management. Then her fourth year, and senior season with the Hawkeyes basketball team, she became a law student at Iowa.
Can you imagine juggling both Division I basketball and first-year law school? That’s a crazy and unique experience.
So, to hear more about Kathryn—the first student-athlete interview on Take Your Success—and what you can learn from her college success, read this interview below.
Brian: I know you didn’t wake up one day and luckily be great at basketball. Why did you work so hard in your childhood and high school to reach your goal of being a Division I college basketball player? How did you find and keep that long-term focus?
Kathryn: My parents always let me try new things and were very open to me trying different activities. Sports happened to be an area that I really enjoyed, so the fact that I got to practice basketball, something that I truly had fun doing made it easy to want to work hard. The ultimate reward of getting to play at Iowa and to be a part of such a good team was a tangible reward that made all of the workouts and time spent in the gym very worthwhile.
Brian: Was it hard to mentally adjust from high school—where you were always the best, or one of the best, players on the court—to college where you had to start back over to get playing time?
Kathryn: There is a big jump in the level of play and the amount of learning that goes on in the gym from high school to college. Freshman year was a lot of learning and getting up to the pace of play that goes on at the Division 1 level. It was humbling but also an exciting challenge to try to improve a little more each day.
Brian: What did you learn from missing your sophomore season of basketball with a tough ACL injury in your right knee?
Kathryn: During the time that I was injured I became a student of the game in a new way. I got the opportunity to see things from my coaches’ perspective and really understand how the game works and to understand the specific offenses and defenses that our program uses. Mostly I learned to truly value each second that I got to be on the court once my knee was healed up and was better able to appreciate all of the little things.
Also, a physical injury in sports is just like an obstacle that you face at school or in the workplace. It’s important to have a positive mindset and not to feel sorry for yourself. Instead, I tried to focus attention on how I could improve and be my personal best each day with the limits that were placed. It’s about making the most of a less than ideal situation and using the support systems that are around you in a productive way.
Brian: It’s incredible to me that you were both a Division I athlete and a first-year law student at Iowa. I personally consider both of those responsibilities to be like full-time jobs in the amount of hours required of you each week. What productivity tips do you use to manage your time effectively?
Kathryn: Making a routine and sticking with it was the best way for me to get things done. Classes in the morning, straight to practice, back to class, and then a few hours of homework at night was the daily routine during the season. Once I got in the hang of it, it was second nature and being disciplined in sticking to that routine made balancing the two very manageable.
Brian: Where is your favorite place to study? Why?
Kathryn: I either like to study at my apartment because I have access to everything I need (notes, books, laptop, water, coffee…) and its a quiet place or at the public library here in Iowa City. Both places have a good studying atmosphere.
Brian: You were voted team captain as a senior. What’s your leadership style in the locker room look like? How would you advise other college students who want to lead but don’t know how or where to start?
Kathryn: I’ve always tried to make strong relationships with my teammates and use that as a base for leadership. Using a good balance of trying to lead by example through hard work as well as leading with your voice. Both are important and If people trust you they will be more likely to want to work together with you towards goals. I think the best tip is just to value everyone and what they can bring to add to the ultimate goal of any group, team, or organization.
Brian: What motivates you?
Kathryn: I’ve been really fortunate to have the experiences that I have had thus far and I feel so lucky that it only makes sense to work hard to be thankful for all of those things.
Brian: Can you generally describe law school for undergrad students who are considering whether it is something they want to pursue?
Kathryn: Law school presents a heavier workload in terms of the amount of reading and comprehension that is done compared to undergraduate classes. Professors want you to think critically about the readings each night and come to class prepared to discuss the takeaways from what you read the night before. It’s a fun challenge because everyone is trying to stimulate the conversations intellectually and it really makes you think harder than you have had to in the past.
Brian: Do you know what kind of law you want to practice? Why?
Kathryn: I am not certain what area of law I want to go into so I am going to take a wide variety of classes the next couple of years to get exposed to many things and see where my interests are.
It’s clear in the interview that Kathryn found a schedule and study environment that works for her. She exemplifies how powerful mapping out a day is for productivity.
Second, her positive mindset shined through in basically every answer. When talking about how she felt about her injury she said she learned to value and appreciate the little things. Kathryn also said she is thankful for her experiences so far and that’s what motivates her to work hard. And, she called law school a “fun challenge.” All positive mental frames.
I truly believe that a positive attitude is crucial in finding success in what you do, and has attributed to Kathryn’s success. Because if you’re upset or pissed off about something, then it’s really hard to do a task well. For you guys, making a positive emotional state when you go into an exam or an interview will produce better results.
Most importantly, Kathryn is a great example that hard work is required for success. You can have a master plan for your next day and be positive about it going in, but if you don’t work hard to get it done, then the plan is worthless.
From my interaction with Kathryn, I’m confident that she will be an excellent attorney based on her mindset and hard-working habits that she developed in college.
If you want similar successful results, I want you to try to apply an organized daily plan, positive attitude, and hard work in your life. You can do it!
Related: How To Fund Graduate School
Readers: What did you learn most from this interview? What applies most to you? Are organized time-management habits a common occurrence in your life? Do you struggle to be productive when you’re upset about something?
15 Alternatives To College That Make Complete Sense
Society tells you it only makes sense to go to college. I disagree and argue there are 15 legitimate alternatives to college you should seriously consider.
See the contradiction? A guy who went to college and is the author of How To College tells high school seniors to reconsider automatically going to college.
My main concern is with people who go to college “just because” and don’t have a specific reason behind their decision.
Maybe all of their friends are going, their parents expect that, or society’s beaten them down with the pro-college message that doing anything else seems crazy.
What pisses me off is many times people don’t need college to accomplish their life goals—studies show that around 25% of college grads work at jobs that don’t require a degree—but they sign a four to six year contract because they think they have to and wind up with a mountain of debt.
That’s so messed up!
I’m convinced millions of people would be better off if they followed their passion from the start and never went to college.
So I believe you have to be clear and intentional about why you’re going to college. And if you can’t come up with that, don’t go and instead do something else productive.
Plus the true cost of college is much higher than you think. Let me explain.
The True Cost Of College
Opportunity cost refers to the fact that when you make a decision to take one action you miss a benefit of another action.
In this case, going to college means you miss out on the opportunity to work full-time.
So if you’re total cost of college after tuition, living costs, and books is approximately $40,000 a year, that’s not the true cost of college. If you could have made $25,000 a year working full-time (a low income for many of the non-degree jobs listed below), then your true cost is $65,000.
And since the average student spends six years in college—according to Complete College America and the Department of Education—not four, this makes the true cost of college $390,000.
Doesn’t look very good on paper right? That’s because college is plain and simple not a good deal. It’s overpriced and they’ve raised tuition too high.
It makes me sick that some 18 year olds are signing up for college solely on the fact that the media and society say it’s smart, then are stuck paying off debt until they’re 30.
I want to help people see the light that not everyone needs college and they can avoid this depressing plunge into debt.
Take a look at these very enticing alternatives to college.
15 Legitimate Alternatives To College
1. Work a job
Contrary to popular opinion, you can work right away with a high school degree.
All of the following occupations don’t require a college degree and some of them pay extremely well:
- Commercial pilot
- Insurance sales rep
- Medical assistant or secretary
- Criminal detective
- Physical trainer
- Loan officer
- Massage therapist
- Graphic designer
- Web developer
- Computer coder
- Casino gaming manager
- Power plant operator
- Transportation inspector
- Personal care aide
- Subway and streetcar operator
- Farmer or rancher
Obviously you need the skills for jobs like graphic designer and web developer, for example. But this list goes to show that a college degree doesn’t get in your way for most jobs.
And while your peers are paying to learn in college, you’re getting paid to learn on the job. Looks clear to me that you’re winning that deal.
2. Pursue a creative talent
Fancy yourself acting in the big screen, singing on stage, or killing jokes on a set? The time is now to go for it and skip college.
Because the fact of the matter is that it’s easier to support yourself on this pursuit than while providing for a family later on in life.
So give it all you got to become a professional actor, singer, dancer, comedian, or artist in this window of opportunity.
Spend a year auditioning for as many roles as you can and start small to build your skills.
Hustle your butt off for 18 hours a day. Split a studio with five friends. Fight tooth and nail to make your dream become real.
If it’s needed, move to a place like Los Angeles, Austin, or New York.
College won’t help you nearly as much as you can help yourself in these creative fields.
3. Go to trade school
A trade school education can lead to work in painting, woodwork, locksmithing, landscaping, masonry, locksmith, forestry, construction, welding, and other handyman work.
It’s not sexy, but learning a “blue collar” job through a trade school makes a lot of sense when you look at the numbers.
For example, graduates of trade school make $42,000 on average compared to the $48,000 average salary of college graduates.
But when you consider trade school costs significantly less and it generally takes just two years (meaning two more years to make money), the value is through the roof!
If you’re not already convinced this is a bright option, a Rutgers University study found these trade schools at close to 100% job placements. That’s nothing but impressive.
For many of you reading, you can get a fast start to a successful career through trade school.
4. Start a business
So you want to run your own business someday after majoring in business and then working in a Fortune 500 company? Stop there and hold that thought.
Would you be more experienced and business savvy through hearing lectures or by running your own business? The answer is obvious—lessons are best learned through doing.
I’m also convinced that being an entrepreneur offers these very real benefits. Running your own shop will force you to learn to:
- Develop your critical thinking skills
- Master time management
- Overcome objections and make the sale
- Treat customers with the utmost respect and politeness
- Communicate with adults and more diverse people than your friends
- Strengthen your creative muscle through new business and marketing ideas
- Network with other entrepreneurs
- Fail fast and bounce back
Plus thanks to the Internet, it’s never been easier to start a business. Spend $50 to $100 and you’ll have your website up and running.
Then the simple formula to online business success is to find a problem you’re passionate about, solve that problem, and then sell the solution. If the problem affects enough people and is a big enough pain, and your solution is good enough, then you’re in business.
So start small and you will have a chance at starting a thriving business. Don’t try to create the next Facebook, you won’t be able to do it.
And don’t be surprised if your business is profitable or it leads you to a new profitable idea. After all, the guy who sold pet rocks became an online millionaire.
5. Take free online classes
Want an Ivy League education without forking up $200,000 to pay for it? Free online courses are the solution for you.
Online learning sites like Coursera, Harvard Extension, edX, and others have made it cost-free and simple to get your learning on. All you have to do is sign up and you’re getting a world-class education in whatever subject you desire.
This way you’re getting a feel for what subjects you’re passionate about before wasting time paying for college and switching your major four times in your freshman year.
Many 18 year olds could use this extra time before jumping into college. It’s a shame more don’t.
Or you can forgo college altogether by using the knowledge and skills you learned from these classes.
You can use what you learned to pursue another alternative on this list.
If you’re interested, check out this guide to learn how to study at Yale, Harvard, and other top institutions, for free!
6.Travel the world
You could sit in a stuffy building to learn about South American history, or you could forego college and visit Machu Picchu, Rio de Janeiro, and Buenos Aires.
Seriously just consider what would happen if you traveled the world for one year.
You’ll learn people skills by meeting other travelers and interacting with locals.
You’ll be tested in your travels to navigate the language barrier and unknown living situation.
Most importantly, being outside your comfort zone traveling will help you build self awareness to discover what areas of life are you passionate about and want to explore further.
And you also avoid any future regret for not going. As time flies and you would normally transition through college, a job, and then kids, you may never get the chance to travel the world for an entire year again.
I recommend you do it now while you’re young (wild) and free.
Now if you’re worried about costs, that’s smart to be money conscious but it’s also not a valid excuse.
Because traveling a year is much cheaper than one year of college. And you can work side jobs while you’re traveling—like teach English, bartend, freelance, sell stuff online, and much more.
7. Join the military
Another possible route is to skip college and join the military.
Serving your country is not only a tremendous honor, there’s also a bunch of tangible benefits including:
- A $35,000 salary with increasing pay the longer you’re in service
- Receive diverse training that’s transferable to your future career
- Have your college paid for (not guaranteed)
- Free health care and almost free living costs
- Free travel across the United States and overseas
I know a few people who joined the military out of high school and they all love the discipline and organization it gives them.
Of course there are some downsides to joining the military.
You’re not in control of where you’re deployed. You could be placed in a war zone at any time, depending on global events outside of your control. And although it’s rare, there is the risk of death which you avoid in college and these other alternatives.
8. Become a realtor
Whether you find yourself browsing home prices on Zillow for fun or dreaming about making six figures, another solid replacement to college is becoming a realtor.
As long as people continue needing a place to live, realtors who are good at their job will have money to bring home.
According to PayScale, the average real estate agent makes approximately $51,000—again, no degree needed.
But what I personally love about the realtor profession is your income has no ceiling. The more you hustle to buy or sell houses, the more you make.
That’s true meritocracy!
And the process to be official is simple: Take real estate courses (“tuition” costs less than $1,000—much more favorable than college), pass the state licensing test, and then start helping people buy and sell homes.
Many volunteer and charity organizations would happily have you join their team to serve with them, no college degree needed.
What’s ironic is some people graduate college to become a social worker or serve in the Peace Corps when they could have started volunteering right away.
If volunteering is your passion, you’re welcome for that four year head start.
Organizations like AmeriCorps, the Catholic Volunteer Network, and the Peace Corps is where I would look first. And a simple Google search of what and where you want to volunteer will give you enough information to start applying.
When you’re drawn toward serving others, you’ll get more out of volunteering than studying subjects you don’t care about in a college classroom. Plus, learning empathy and the value of giving back will serve you the rest of your life.
And Jesus and Mother Theresa didn’t go to college did they? The way they loved people will never be forgotten.
Again, you can always volunteer for a year or more and then go to college if you really think that’ll help your future. Why rush into it when it’s not needed to do what you love?
10. Build an audience with content
This is what I’m working on every single day: Publishing content with the goal of building an audience and providing value to them.
I so wish I started this at age 18 instead of age 21, but it is what it is.
So how is this accomplished? There are only three options to publish content and build an audience:
- Start a blog if you enjoy and are best at writing
- Start a podcast if you prefer talking
- Start a YouTube channel if you like being in front of the camera
Those are the three tried and true methods that won’t go away. My recommendation is to start with one of those and then add another or all three mediums once you’re more established.
Thousands of people are making a fortune doing this already. So the path to success is there if you know how to build a community around you.
Honestly, it’d be wise to publish content whether you don’t or do go to college. Having a personal brand and following you can take with you always gives you leverage in the future.
That leverage can be deployed to build your own business or to win interviews and job offers.
11. Go to community college
If you’re still stubborn and think you need some kind of college degree before you’re qualified to work, have you considered an associate’s degree instead of a bachelor’s?
An associate’s degree requires half the time, much less than half the money, and opens doors to some high-quality jobs including:
- Radiation therapist
- Dental hygienist
- Registered nurse
- Air traffic controller
- Computer programmer
- Police officer
- Aerospace engineer
Many of these median salaries are in the high five figures and sometimes six figures—like air traffic controller.
Plus community colleges have some unique benefits like smaller class sizes, more of the professor’s attention, more flexible schedules, and the ability to work while you’re in school.
For example, you’d struggle to get to know your professor if you’re at four-year state school with 250 people in every class.
12. Get a fellowship or apprenticeship
A fellowship or apprenticeship is so appealing to me (if I were 18 again) because they’re hands on jobs where you’re constantly learning through doing, not by hearing lectures and memorizing.
That’s why some fellowships and apprenticeships are taking form and becoming trendy again.
For example, UnCollege offers a 32 week program that includes a voyage, launch, and internship phase. It’s purpose is to help students learn outside of the classroom through experimentation and mentoring.
And one billionaire, Peter Thiel, questions college to the point where he gives around 20 young adults under age 20 a $100,000 fellowship award not to go to college. Isn’t that interesting?
On the website is the statement, “The Thiel Fellowship gives $100,000 to young people who want to build new things instead of sitting in a classroom.”
If you’re interested in learning more or applying for The Thiel Fellowship, click here.
There are also other interesting fellowships and apprenticeships that are a Google click away. If you’re diligent in searching you can find solid options.
13. Create a non-profit
Want a rewarding and life-changing experience like nothing else can offer? Look no farther than starting a non-profit.
Just like starting a business, I recommend your non-profit’s mission starts small by addressing a local need in your community.
Because you’d struggle to make a difference if you tried to take on world hunger or something as complex as cancer.
For example of decent ideas, maybe your mission is to financial support animal shelters in your town. Maybe it’s to clothe homeless people in your city. Maybe it’s to provide a free summer camp for underprivileged children.
Recruit some people who might be on board and then test the idea in the community. Talk to people or start serving and evaluate the response. Then continue to improve your service and build your team.
If this is your life’s passion, stick with it or take what you learned to found a new non-profit.
And if you do go to college, your resume will be truly rocking doing this—especially if it makes a tangible difference in the community.
For inspiration, here’s an example of an 18-year-old who started a crazy successful non-profit.
14. Write a book
I truly believe every single person on this Earth has a unique story and some important message to share with the world. Sue me for seeing the positives in humanity.
And that means you’re fully capable of writing a book before you turn 20.
What are you passionate about? What do you excel in?
And most importantly, what’s something you know a lot about and it’s popular enough for other people to care? That’s the special ingredient to writing a quality book.
I get it if you want to wait to write your book until you have something more powerful to say or a little more experience under your belt.
But just know there are some young teenagers writing books for people their age and making a killing, specifically 14-year-old Caleb Maddix comes to mind.
15. Coach a team
Are you a former football, tennis, soccer, basketball, baseball, swimming, or golf player? Have you ever been decent at a sport?
That’s about all the qualifications you need to coach a middle school, junior high, or high school team.
For example, some of my friends have gone on to coach club volleyball teams, high school football teams, 8th grade basketball teams, and everything in between.
High schools will automatically pay you in most cases.
And since many parents want no part of coaching, you can offer the local school or parish to coach the middle school team as long as you’re paid a reasonable fee for your time. You just might have to get more creative to get paid when you coach younger ages.
If you’re a sports enthusiast, you’re going to have a lot of fun coaching. It’s a way to stay close to the game you love after your time to play has ended.
Plus you get the rewarding feeling of passing down the knowledge you’ve learned and making your former coaches proud.
College Isn’t For Everyone
You have to admit after reading this that college isn’t for everyone.
I mean why would a guy or girl who wants to be a realtor, for example, spend at least four years and at least $50,000 a year at college to delay doing what they love?
It doesn’t make sense and college would only disappoint them with a mountain of debt.
Now the table tilts differently in two situations: your parents are paying for your entire education or you’re 100% certain you need to college to get your dream job (investment banker, lawyer, doctor, professor, etc.).
It’s the debt that really pisses me off so if your parents are well off and can easily take the bill then that’s a different story.
But still, thinking this decision through will get you in the habit of questioning the norm and making the best decision for you, not doing things because other people are doing it.
That will help you win down the road in life.
Always aim to live with intention—especially if you’re deciding about a four to six year college contract.
So is college right for you? Only you can answer that.
And before you decide… promise me you will consider all of the options before you blindly go to college.
P.S. If you want help exploring your future options and becoming the best version of yourself, go here.
Skipping Class Hurts Far More Than It Helps
The excuses for skipping class vary from ludicrous to reasonable.
If you’re feeling super lazy and the last thing you want to do is go to class—hey, it happens—your excuses will lack common sense. You’ll skip because it might rain, you miss your dog, you’re not feeling pretty, or some other laughable idea.
There are also what I call the legitimate, or reasonable excuses.
You want to sleep in longer (or take a nap) instead of going to class because you have to study late at night.
You can read the PowerPoint slides online and get the same information you need without going to class.
The professor doesn’t check for attendance so there’s no consequences if you don’t show up.
You haven’t worked out in weeks so you have to go to the gym instead of class. It’s a fair trade.
You can make a case for these kinds of excuses and others in the ballpark of reason. It’s easy to miss class when you justify it. (It’s easy to do anything when it’s justified.)
But, I think anyone who skips class is misguided.
Because whether you have a legitimate reason or you’re lazy, I’m going to hit you with the truth: skipping class hurts you more than it helps you. Here’s exactly why.
Skipping Class Makes Things Worse
These are the fun problems that come from skipping college classes, in no particular order.
First, rarely is all the information you need for an assignment provided without additional information from a professor. Whether it’s a project, paper, or exam, during class is when a professor often takes time to give context, helpful instruction, and dictate what they’re looking for. If you’re not there, that’s no extra help for you.
Plus, you don’t get any freebie test answers if you’re not at class. You know what I mean, right?
When the professor expands on a topic, then says, “Take notes because this will be on the exam.” Only the people who attend class come away with that helpful insight. (Or when they deliberately tell you a specific question and answer on the exam, only the students there are lucky.)
You also miss when your teacher says, “Don’t worry about this unit, it won’t be on the exam.” If you miss that day, you’ll but putting hours of valuable study time into terms that you don’t need to know.
Many students who often miss class, sometimes only one class, are sure to waste more time trying to catch up than if they went to class. Because not only do they have to learn what they went over in class, they first have to spend time knowing what to go over.
And it’s extremely difficult to get a quality letter of recommendation if you routinely skip class with all of your professors. At best, your letters will be average and bland. At worst, you won’t have any professors agree to write one.
For all of these reasons, and some others I’m sure I left out, if you like yourself, you will go to every class you can.
So while there’s plenty of reasons to skip class and the motivation behind each one is that it will make your life easier, if only for a little, now you know that premise is untrue.
Skipping class makes your life much more difficult and stressful. In other words, going to class makes your life much easier.
You’ll Win When You Go To Class
Did you catch all of that? Although going to class can be a drag at times, just remember the consequences of not going to class are always a losing bargain.
I must say that this entire blog post is assuming you want to succeed in college and not live in constant stress. If you don’t want to do well for yourself and want to skip class, enjoy the stress and good luck to you. (You need it!)
And here’s one last negative. Skipping class when you don’t feel like going sets a bad precedent for your future. Because after you graduate, not going to work on the days you don’t feel like it also sounds good, until you lose your job, lose your income, and become a bum.
College is the perfect time to establish successful habits. Start today by creating the habit of going to every class, regardless of your feelings.
Your college experience will be better off for it.
Podcast Interviews For The How To College Launch
To promote How To College, I went on podcasts to discuss all the great content in the book.
The hosts and I discussed important subjects like building a personal brand, best practices for mental health, goal-setting strategies, and a bunch of other cool success topics.
The interviews all went well and I appreciated the hosts having me on. Free press is always for me (I’m talking to you Forbes and Business Insider, just waiting by the phone).
I figured instead of reading content, you could listen to a podcast and learn something new:
I’ve been on some other podcasts that still haven’t posted (what are you waiting for people?). It’s all good though.
Just Google search “Brian Robben podcast” if you want to listen to the other podcasts when they go live in the near future, or listen to the podcasts I’ve been on for The Golden Resume and Freedom Mindset launches.
Go crush it today!